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NCAA attacks Boise State's nickels and dimes

Posted on: May 4, 2011 5:58 pm
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Ohio State employs a football coach who hid violations by his star player, violations that would have made that player ineligible -- an ineligibility that would have rendered Ohio State something short of the Big Ten champion it became.

The NCAA decided that Ohio State has institutional control.

Then along comes Boise State. That school saw 79 student-athletes in several sports receive excessive lodging, travel and meals worth $5,652 over four years. That might sound like a lot, but it's not. It's an average cost of $71 in excess items per player. That's one lunch here, one cab ride there. That's nothing, in the grand scheme of things -- and it's certainly nothing nefarious.

The NCAA decided Boise State lacks institutional control.

This, NCAA, is why so many people think you're so full of crap. Because you think Ohio State is on top of things. And you think Boise State isn't.




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Since: May 6, 2011
Posted on: May 6, 2011 9:12 pm
 

NCAA attacks Boise State's nickels and dimes

so as long as a violation is nothing "in the grand scheme of things" its ok?  Cant argue with that logic... did you miss the part where the violations occured in other sports as well, sounds like they might be lacking some institutional control.




Since: Feb 28, 2008
Posted on: May 6, 2011 10:35 am
 

NCAA attacks Boise State's nickels and dimes

Nitrobuck,

Dang, I am having to put my foot in my mouth.  What a great day this is, I now am in support of 2 Buckeye fans.  I never thought I would see this day.....GREAT EXPLANATION.  I agree with you 100%.



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: May 6, 2011 9:51 am
 

NCAA attacks Boise State's nickels and dimes

There you go being a statistic again, thanks!  You are the common osu fan.  Always thinking that "duh osu" is never wrong and is above everyone and everything.  osu fans are so dumb they attack an alum like Kirk Herb who happens to be the biggest homer in sports tv for saying an honest statement. 

Johnrcanz, all I did was explain why OSU was not hit with "Lack of Institutional Control" while Boise St was for what appears to be a lesser offense.  I also said I expect the NCAA to hit both with punishment pefitting their misdeeds, and as such I expect OSU to be hit harder.  Does that sound like someone who thinks OSU is never wrong?  I never claimed OSU is perfect.  It is simply a matter of fact that the school did do what it is supposed to do in the eyes of the NCAA.  Tressel, on the other hand, appears to have had a major lapse of judgement.  I'm not sure he will survive this with his job intact.  My guess is he has the same contract language that allowed Jim O'Brien to successfully sue OSU for wrongful termination because the school fired him before the NCAA formally issued probation (everyone knew it was coming).  My guess is OSU will announce Tressel will be let go after the NCAA issues sanctions, which probably won't happen until this Fall.  I expect OSU will allow Tressel to finish out the 2011 season, but that will likely be his last.  So you can say I am "the common osu fan" if you want.  I believe the overwhelming majority of OSU fans have a similarly objective view of the situation.  Tressel screwed up in a big way, and the tide is turning against him in Columbus.

As for Kirk Herbstreit, I agree it is shameful that some OSU fans have made life so difficult for him and his family that he is compelled to relocate.  I disagree that Herbstreit is a homer for OSU.  While he openly admits his love for his Alma Mater, he has also bent over backwards to prove his objectivity.  He will root for OSU (not when broadcasting), but never defend OSU.  To the point where many OSU fans feel he has repeatedly overcompensated so as to keep the anti-OSU critics at bay.  Generally speaking, if his integrity is on the line, he will typically take the anti-OSU viewpoint.  A perfect example of this was the 2004 Alamo Bowl broadcast, when Troy Smith was suspended after OSU caught him accepting $500 from a booster.  As OSU consistently does, it self-reported the issue and self-imposed punishment.  The NCAA accepted it fully, but not Herbstreit and the rest of the ESPN game broadcast crew.  They spent the entire second half ripping OSU and calling for Tressel's and Andy Geiger's (the AD) heads to roll.  They were so busy preaching from their soapbox that they completely ignored the action on the field.  They never even acknowledged several big plays in the second half...including a couple of turnovers.  All that over a player being punished by his school because he had wrongly accepted a $500 handshake?  It is the numerous instances like this that have turned many OSU fans against Herbstreit.  But driving the guy out of town is still disgraceful. 




Since: Feb 28, 2008
Posted on: May 6, 2011 8:43 am
 

NCAA attacks Boise State's nickels and dimes

BIGKATZ,

I change my opinion, iy has taken me 3 years but you are an actual great Ohio State fan.  Not that my opinion means anything but you are the first fan I have come across with an actual great opinion and view on moral and reasonable ethics when looking at an obvious case.  Awesome posts!



Since: May 15, 2007
Posted on: May 5, 2011 9:32 pm
 

NCAA attacks Boise State's nickels and dimes

Why do you people keep using OSU fanbase when you say we don't see the embarrasment? I am sure there are a few people on here that probably don't, but the vast majority do see it and know JT's days are numbered.



Since: May 15, 2007
Posted on: May 5, 2011 9:30 pm
 

NCAA attacks Boise State's nickels and dimes

an alum like Kirk Herb who happens to be the biggest homer in sports tv

johnrcanz,

 The biggest homer in sports tv? I think there is a certain fella named Holtz on that same network that holds that title. Besides I have heard Herbie critisize the Buckeyes plenty of times and he is usually right in doing so (this time included). Does he root for the Buckeyes? Of course he does, but every alumn on air roots for their teams.

 On the subject of this story I still say this case and the Buckeyes case are totally different. Compare this to AJ Green selling stuff, and Bruce pearl lying, but not to Boise'sacross the board loss of control that includes playing a person in a sport that is NOT a student at Boise. I think JT should be gone for lying and that Boise is getting fair punishment. I still don't get how the NCAA let those guys play in the Bowl game.



Since: Apr 22, 2008
Posted on: May 5, 2011 5:35 pm
 

NCAA attacks Boise State's nickels and dimes

I agree, OSU's fan base is embarrasing to the Big Ten.
They have by far the best sports program but the fan base is just ridiculous.
Jim T has brought so much shame to OSU. I dont' know why the fans don't want to see that.
Why don't they understand that he will always been known now as a cheat and a liar.
It isn't really that hard to be honest. Here you go...Rich Rod was a scum bag coach and a huge mistake.
Michigan is not a good football team anymore. Michigan will not win a big ten title for at leave five years.
The sky isn't falling. Michigan's fall from grace was quick and hard but so be it. Life goes on folks.
OSU could easily recover from this. They simply need to fire Jim T. If they did that they would show that they do not allow people to cheat and lie.



Since: Feb 28, 2008
Posted on: May 5, 2011 3:54 pm
 

NCAA attacks Boise State's nickels and dimes

NitroBuck,

There you go being a statistic again, thanks!  You are the common osu fan.  Always thinking that "duh osu" is never wrong and is above everyone and everything.  osu fans are so dumb they attack an alum like Kirk Herb who happens to be the biggest homer in sports tv for saying an honest statement. 

By the way, I can't speak for Mark May but I don't have a blind hatred for Ohio State, I knowingly and openly hate the team, the university and more than everything the fans.  I use to dislike Texas until I joined this board 3 years ago and realized that osu fans are the most classless fans on Earth.  Thanks, come again!



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: May 5, 2011 2:52 pm
 

NCAA attacks Boise State's nickels and dimes

Mark May is a jackass, and johnrcanz is an idiot.  The two have one thing in common........a blind hatred for Ohio State which clouds their judgement.  You haters can bitch all you want about OSU not being charged with Lack of Institutional Control, but the fact is it was OSU who reported the Tat-5's violations, and it was OSU who reported Jim Tressel's misdeeds to the NCAA.  When an institution detects problems and subsequently reports them to the NCAA, how could it possibly be classified as "lack of institutional control"?

While Boise State's issue does clearly qualify for Lack of Institutional Control, it is my hope that the NCAA issues a minor punishment that befits this minor problem.  I suspect that the NCAA will hit OSU much harder than BSU. 



Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: May 5, 2011 1:46 pm
 

NCAA attacks Boise State's nickels and dimes

One is a violation that involved one source informing one coach about player violations (i.e. the Institution, aside from employing mind readers, couldn't be expected to know about this).  The other violation (Boise) involves an entire system of inappropriate recruiting.  I agree with Doyel that Boise's violations appear to be less nefarious, but they also appear to be more institutional.
re-read it and let it sink in...

this would've been a perfect chance for a CBS writer to NOT talk about Ohio State.  I'm starting to think it's just too hard to resist.
obsession has it's way of being quite obvious to others...


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